Part 1: Dr. Cook chats with Tony Wrighton as a guest on his Zestology Podcast

 And so that's why I'm trying to kind of develop strategies that are gonna calm the immune system down and support us to get us through this bridge period. And so then healing the gut and minimizing debulking, the total amount of virus. You're listening to the Bio Reset Medical Podcast with Dr.

Here is Dr. Matt Cook on Zest. Do

part of your focus over the last couple of weeks is how to deal with on a global scale with our immunity. To stop this virus affecting us too badly and to be able to kind of get over it as quickly as possible. And, and I'm very interested in that because as things stand, we're not feeling brilliant.

We're, we're okay. But I would say it's 50% or more we're certainly the, the, the worst effect area of the country. And I'd say it's 50% or more that we probably have got it. But of course there's no tests, so we don't actually know. I know it's, it's quite overwhelming. So then let me, so then what, how I'm thinking about it is, is that, uh, Remember I said sometimes it can affect the l, the lungs, sometimes it can affect the upper respiratory tract.

Sometimes it can affect the gastrointestinal tract. And so what I've been doing is curating and putting together a list of strategies that can improve the health in each one of those areas. And so we can go through this and so then you can, you can. Start to do some of these strategies, and I've kind of listed out some companies that I like, but basically even I have access to kind of everything and, and all of my companies are outta stock because everyone is buying things, right?

But slowly products are coming back online. So then as I go through products, you're gonna be able to find a lot of these products somewhere. And they're gonna become more and more available. And then as I walk through the different problem areas, then what we need to do is just develop strategies to deal with all of those so that ultimately we have a coherent strategy for wellness.

Then part two is then we have to think about what is our coherent strategy for treating this? And there's scientific, you know, studies going on all over the world. And then I can walk you through some of those. And so then, The, the sweet spot is putting together the wellness strategies with probably some drug strategies and then there are also some strategies of things that I do that are probably gonna be harder to get, but may help people on the recovery side.

Uh, and so we'll talk about those as well. Yeah, I mean, it's, it is quite interesting. Just before we get into that, there's, um, there's been two different modeling, um, Studies done in this country, one by Imperial College and one yesterday. It came out by Oxford University and the Imperial College one suggested that, you know, it's all been quite low level so far and, and it had some, frankly, pretty terrifying consequences if we didn't immediately lock down and get a lot more tests out there.

The second one from Oxford University reckons that it's. Been circulating far longer this virus than we actually previously thought. And the incubation period is very long, which may mean as many as half of the population in this country have already had it and have had such mild symptoms that most of them haven't noticed.

So, I mean, I just wondered what you thought about that. Really? So it's, it's like unbelievably interesting to me that you just said that because I, you know, in my practice probably I. Probably 65 to 75% of the people who see me fly to see me. And I had 15 people call me in January that they had the flu, that they had the worst flu in their life and they thought they were gonna die.

And, uh, and nobody, nobody was really paying attention to Corona and there was no sense that Corona was here. And I, I'm in the San Francisco Bay area and so I, I have a tendency to believe that it's been around a little bit longer. I think it's been around for a couple months, and I think it's very possible that the incubation period is a little bit longer.

Than than what we've heard. Yeah. And I mean, obviously one can, uh, theorize hopefully without using conspiracies as much as, as much as you like. But I presented a big sporting event in this country at the end of uh, January, and people flew in from all over the world, loads of competitors from China and all over Asia and all over the world, and it was an indoor sports event.

Table tennis, that's a really hot and sweaty, the virus is going everywhere and you just think. Who knows if it has been around a lot longer, that would've been a real incubation point right there. Um, but of course we don't know and at the moment we can't test though. Hopefully that will change quite quickly.

Um, and you know, I was, it was funny. It's funny here, I'm on the other side of the world from you. The first thing that I found out this morning was that Prince Charles on, on the social media was Prince Charles tested positive. So it was like it's all the way from the top, all the way down. So my, my feelings go out to him.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Um, So what are some of these strategies then? Uh, when we look at kind of virology, what are some of the things we can do to boost our immune system and, um, and fight this thing off? You know, I mean, um, I, I'm very interested to know. Okay, so, so then well, let's kind of, let's go by category.

So if you think about the upper respiratory tract, um, and then I'm gonna, I'm gonna cover the categories a little bit real quickly, and then we'll talk in sort of broader terms. Okay. But zinc is a supplement. And if people can get zinc lozenges, I really like having people take these zinc lozenges because, uh, the lozenges take about 10 or 15 minutes to dissolve in your throat.

And while they're dissolving, they're right in the place where the virus is. And, and zinc is interesting cuz it blocks viral replication. And so it's a, a very easy thing to do, very cheap and it's acting right in the area where the virus is. Okay. Um, and so that's a, that's a good one. Um, and that's, that's a, the easy one.

Um, the, the next one is on the gastrointestinal front and a lot of, uh, and what happens is we're finding out that even after people, uh, recover sometimes from a, the pulmonary and upper respiratory symptoms, they can still shed, uh, from, from in their stool. The virus for a couple weeks and so and so with that in mind, by, by the way, the most important thing we can do is social distancing and isolation and incredibly good job on hand washing because we don't, don't wanna take that virus.

That was in our stool, and then reinfect other people or reinfect ourself. Um, but, but from the the GI perspective, uh, we, we use a, a product for a lot of the people that we see with parasites and infections. It's called SBI Protect. Um, there's another one, uh, that's very similar called colostrum. And colostrum is probably something that's very available to a lot of people, and it's.

It's a, it has immunoglobulins that it's, it's the very rich part of, of mother's milk. And so then they can, they can make, make it from either from dairy or from goats. And the, the immunoglobulins that are in the colostrum can bind onto to viruses and toxins, and then it holds onto them and it keeps them from going back and infecting other cells.

So, Um, another product just on that. Um, I've been, I've been banging on about colostrum for ages and I have been taking that, so I'm very pleased about that. That's good. Oh, okay. That's a good one. Yeah. That's amazing. Uh, quercetin is a, is a, is a quite available and, and, and fairly inexpensive product. That, uh, uh, it's, it's, it's a, it's a plant-based.

It's found in onions and it's found in other vegetables, but quercetin has some antiviral effects and it also helps to, to heal leaky gut and helps seal the gut border back. And a friend of mine told me yesterday, I just love this good fences, make good neighbors. Mm-hmm. And our immune, our whole immune system is located in the intestine.

Right on the other side of the wall. And so what happens is, uh, if we, if we start to get inflammation in the intestine and leaky gut, then toxins and inflammation can leak from the intestine into the bloodstream, and then that creates immune dysregulation in our immune system. Doesn't work quite as well.

And so if I can use quercetin and it has some antiviral effect, In the intestine, and then some of it can get absorbed into the bloodstream where it can continue to have an antiviral effect, where it might have an antiviral effect all the way up in the lungs or up in the throat. And so then now we're beginning to work towards strategies where we're getting a two for one.

And, and, um, and it's a, a very well tolerated and safe, safe supplement for people to start taking. Okay. Brilliant. Uh, now, then the next one, um, and, and I can go on and on and on, but the next one for, for simplicity is a really good probiotic and know that, uh, every functional medicine, I'm the doc, every functional medicine doctor on the planet has their favorite probiotic, and I have a lot that I like and I will circle through different ones, but know that.

By adding good, the good bacteria in that can help create a better balance between the good and bad bacteria, and creating a better balance seems to have a beneficial effect on how our immune system works. And then once we do that, then that creates harmony in the gastrointestinal system. If we can create harmony in that system and get that and that promotes better immune system functioning, then that helps our goal of our overall immune system being dialed in to deal with this big infection that's happening.

Does that make sense? It does. Yeah. So that's, uh, that's a good one. So, And then the, the next category that we've been talking about is something called, um, uh, mitochondrial Virus Reset. And the, the idea of of this is, is that if, uh, each cell in your body has a whole bunch of little mitochondria inside, And they're like the powerhouse of the cell.

They make energy, they help you maintain an, uh, a, a positive electrical balance and charge in yourself. And the healthier your mitochondria are, the healthier you are. And so I would say of if you looked at my practice, almost everything that I do is designed to help your mitochondria work better so that I improve the health of every single cell.

Because if we could improve the health of every cell in your body, then. Every organ system's gonna work better. And so we have, we have some strategies that increase, um, increase N a D, which is, uh, it's sort of like energy and, and, and, and energy. It's a, it's a energy signaling molecule that, uh, helps detox and it, and it, it helps make energy in your mitochondria.

Then we have a, there's a supplement and then I'll send this to you called the One. And it's fully designed just to improve mitochondrial function. And so, uh, and, and, uh, And so then we're, we're very positive on these as strategies to improve, uh, mitochondrial function. Uh, we have a lot of patients who we actually take N A D, which is a little, uh, and, and we put it in a, a syringe and you can inject it subcutaneously.

And, and, uh, we've seen, because I take care of some, a patients with chronic infections and chronic viral infections, when I start to give people n a D. What I see is that they start to have more energy, they start to feel better, and it seems to activate and turn on immune function. So then that's been a, that's been a real positive one for us.

Okay. Uh, just a couple of questions on n a D. Um, did I, am I imagining that I heard somewhere that n a D is contraindicated with, uh, with this particular virus? Did I imagine that. So I have not heard that. Um, mechanistically there are, there's some studies where they, uh, they did mitochondrial enhancing. I just read this yesterday.

There was a, I saw a study and I'm, I need to go back and find this, where they did some mitochondrial enhancing strategies, uh, for people who are real sick and they did better. I don't personally don't think that n a d would be contraindicated. I think it would be, Rather, I think it would be beneficial.

Okay. Um, but, um, And, and interestingly of, of those friends that I had who called me in January, N none of them have been tested because we don't have any testing in America. But I sent them all this type of stuff and I sent them all N A D and then they all did N A D and everyone did well. And so that I have a very small.

Cohort not enough to, not enough information to say, yes, we should do this. But very quickly, I. Over in, in the next month, I predict that I'm gonna have 40 or 50 people that will end up testing positive and then what's gonna happen is we're gonna treat all of those people and then hopefully I'll come back and talk to you.

Yeah. And we'll begin to say, this is the greatest experiment of our lives. Yeah. Because we're gonna, normally what would happen is we would treat people and I, and I'd come back in a year and I'd tell you what I learned. Yes. But we're. This whole thing is so accelerated that we're gonna figure it out quickly.

And um, you mentioned the one is that, uh, Quicksilver Scientific product? Yeah, it's, it's so good. Okay. Really, cuz I actually, um, I have some in my fridge and I haven't tried it yet, so, um, maybe I'll, I'll bust that out tonight. Oh, it's perfect. Yeah. Bus bust that out today. Is it, um, is it one of those ones that's so good for energy that you should have it in the morning or can you have it any time of day?

Well, if you're feeling a little bit under the weather already, I would do it tonight. Okay. Um, and, but, but I think it's probably more along the lines of a homeostatic, so it, it, it's probably just gonna balance you. And interestingly, I have a lot of people who, who. Could not sleep. And I started them on the one and N A D and then all of a sudden they started sleeping.

Cuz sleep is a little, sometimes it's a little bit of a high energy state. You have to, you have to have enough energy to actually relax. Yeah. And um, Okay, so that's, and uh, I was gonna ask another question about N na d uh, about, um, the one, but, um, what I was gonna ask is in terms of detox, um, is there, is there, I mean, I'm always wary with some supplements I take.

I basically react so well that my body like tries to get rid of all the kind of toxins at once. And I actually find there's kind of, there's a bit of an overreaction to supplements. Is that the case with the one, do you think? Or is it just pretty good for you? I haven't had any symptoms and I haven't had anyone have any symptoms from the one.

But I mean, I find that for, for instance, with methylated vitamins, if I take too many at once, I'm like, whoa. He tries trying to detox all at once kind of thing. So what I would do is I would take a real low dose tonight. Yeah. And then I would slowly work my way up. And that is such a good comment for people to begin to pay attention to because there's a little sense of panic that if one is good.

10 is better. Yeah. And, and, and so people are try, I, I think people are at a little bit of a risk of overdoing it. And I want people to know that most people are doing really well and, and interestingly, probably lower doses and doses that have no side effects. And so we. Work our way up is gonna be better.

And, and all of, uh, a lot of the things that we're talking about have the potential to modulate the immune system. And this is the name of the game. We don't wanna do anything crazy. We just wanna modulate the immune system and calm it down because if we do, that will lead us to having a lower probability of going in.

Had that cytokine storm and sepsis. That's really the the thing that gets us. And so that's why I'm trying to kind of develop strategies that are gonna calm the immune system down and support us to get us through this bridge period. And so then healing the gut and minimizing debulking, the total amount of virus.

I think is my strategy that is gonna, that is gonna hopefully make us resistant to the really bad things that could happen to us. Okay. Um, so I know people will be lapping this up. So, uh, is that, is that the kind of the, the main list of supplements or are there, is there anything else that you think is particularly worth looking at?

Well, I mean, you haven't mentioned vitamin C for example. Oh, no, no, no. So I, so then the next one is vitamin C. Vitamin C may be the most important one. And so we're, and interestingly, vitamin C and lysine is the next two, and vitamin C is really, really important, uh, because it may help make the cells more resistant to the virus and it has an antioxidant effect that is, uh, beneficial and may help calm the immune system down without revving it up too much.

And we're doing vitamin C orally, and then we're also doing vitamin C. IV the right now vitamin C everywhere is totally out. You can't get it. Uh, one thing you can do is. Have lemons and limes. And so we're ju we're having people juice, lemons and limes every day to get vitamin C. Uh, and, and, uh, I've, I've seen some, uh, pe some strategies, people talking about where they give vitamin C uh, uh, uh, uh, throughout the day.

So every four hours and sometimes, uh, that can help combat symptoms. And then interestingly, when you give vitamin C iv, there may be some evidence. That it helps, uh, prevent sepsis and so it may calm down the immune system and keep the immune system from running all the way outta control. Okay. Brilliant.

And and what about lo I mean, vi that's, that's excellent. And I think that's something that I've, um, I have heard vitamin C, you know, from a few people who've been on since everything blew up with Coronavirus. What about lysine? I dunno much about this. Is this L lysine, is that the same thing? Y y that's exactly right.

And so this is an amino acid and. And the l lysine seems to block viral replication also. And the, the interesting, and this may be something that people can get, and so then imagine I have multiple strategies to block viral replication. For example, like I might have zinc and then I have lysine. So they're acting in different ways, but all but doing the same thing.

And so, A lot of people who, uh, suffer from like herpes for example, uh, will find that if they take l lysine, it seems to block the viral replication and so they have less herpes outbreaks. And so it's one strategy that we've used for years and years and years with pa all, all kinds of different patients with viral infections.

Now the concept is, I, I have some anecdotal stories of friends who were treating people with Corona who, who their symptoms got better when they either did lysine intravenously, where they got the lysine from a compounding pharmacy or orally. So then this is now part of my strategy of something that you can take as a pill that will have a systemic antiviral effect.

And so then now we're gonna, I'm gonna, I have about six or seven things here that are in this category. So there's, we have a, we have a product called Xin, and it has a whole bunch of herbs that are antiviral. It turns out that Andrographis. Rosemary, calendula, dandelion, rose, hip, uh, all of these are herbs that have been shown to have some effect on coronaviruses, uh, in the past.

Uh, other things that boost immune function and calm the immune system down a little bit of things like cordyceps mushrooms, and there's a whole host of mushroom products. And so then what you began to see is. You people are at home and they're gonna have to search through. They may get vitamin C, they may get one or two herbs, they may get some zinc, they may find some quercetin, and it's not gonna be perfect, but people are gonna be able to find some combination.

Yeah. Of these products that they can su that can help support them. Does that make sense? It does. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I know being somebody who has a fairly extensive supplement collection anyway, I, I'm, I'm aware of the ones that have been harder to get and easier to get. Certainly liposomal vitamin C has been, uh, out quite a bit, but, uh, vitamin C in general seems to be available here.

But, um, but I know that people will be listening to this and logging on as you talk, so, um, and it's, it's nice to think there something we can do, you know? One more thing and then we should talk about some of the drugs, because I think that's real interesting. Okay. Yeah, the. I, I just found out about this.

Can you get melatonin in, in England? Um, it's, I've, I've seen melatonin listed somewhere else as something potentially good. It's, I think it's still illegal in this country to buy melatonin and certainly I, a lot of the incom biohackers that I know go to America and bring some backs in their luggage. Um, but, uh, but yeah, I.

Don't think it's very widely available here, but I'm, but I'm not sure that might have changed in the last six months or something. Interesting. So there's some evidence that melatonin, particularly when you get to higher doses, can, uh, it has anti-inflammatory effects because it's a hormone and it helps you sleep, but it can have anti-inflammatory effects.

And I have spoken to doctors who've been treating patients with coronavirus who, uh, gave them melatonin. And, uh, those people, uh, started. To turn around when they got the melatonin. And there's actually a theory that, uh, children, and because you mentioned your, your, your child. Yes. Children have very high levels of melatonin compared to adults.

Right. And the great thing about that is, is that may be one of the reasons why they're more resistant to the coronavirus, uh, than we are. Yeah. And as we get older. And so, uh, there are some strategies that can help support your. Your melatonin levels like five htp. Uh, but overall, uh, it for people who are, who are in a jurisdiction where they can legally get that adding in some melatonin, um, in the, the dose range of two and a half to five to even seven to 10 milligrams at night may be beneficial.

Okay. And that's, and that is, Um, just remind me again because I, because I was taking all that in, but it's slightly hard to grasp. So there's some thinking that cause children are higher in melatonin naturally, that is also why they're not that badly affected by this virus. Is that right? Y Yeah, I, I, uh, a friend of mine, uh, Dr.

Klinghardt was, uh, mentioning that on a podcast that he did a couple days ago. And interestingly, uh, n a d levels dropped by 90% from age one to age 90. And so then you begin to think, try to reverse engineer this. What are the things about kids and particularly young kids, what did they have in their biochemistry that makes them healthier and more resilient and less susceptible to, to, um, an affection?

So then you begin to say, okay, certain hormones go way down. Certain, uh, cell messaging signals go down. And so then part of what we're doing is to say, Hey, uh, Quercetin has some, uh, antiviral effects. And so that's, that's, that's just like, um, a, a specific thing that's almost like a drug, a, the, there's a olive leaf, uh, and some olive leaf extracts, and there's one called Aurine has some antiviral effects, but then there's another strategy.

Strategy, which is just improving our overall health, getting good sleep, uh, and, and trying to reset ourselves to a younger age, uh, that that may be, may be actually beneficial. And, and this is what we hope to, to learn. The more and more patients we start to treat. Okay, just interrupting this podcast for one moment to remind you that it is brought to you by my partners, by Optimizes, and I've been teaming up with them to boost the health of the gut.

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So, um, if you had to buy optimizers.com/testology, take a look at that video and now back to the podcast. Um, so we've got about 10 minutes left and I know you wanna get onto the medicines. Just before we do that, There may well be some people listening to this who haven't really listened to Tology very much, but because there is a health crisis across the world at the moment, they've come for the first time to have a listen and, and um, get some advice.

Um, and you know, I think, um, they might be skeptical that. Taking a lot of supplements can make much difference or that one should do anything without consulting one's doctor, um, beforehand. Um, I mean, what would you say to them about that? Oh, that's such a good question. Uh, you know what, uh, I've had probably a hundred people say to me in the last two weeks.

I think that on the other side of this, people are gonna be a lot more interested in what you say. And, you know, it was interesting. I I, I used to work as an anesthesiologist and two months ago before this thing came out, I ran into six anesthesiologist that I used to work with. And I looked at 'em and I was kind of wondering what they were gonna say.

They, and they came over to my table and they were all smiling and they go, uh, you were right. I go, what do you mean? They go, they go, remember when you said that we should be gluten free? They go, Turns out we were allergic to gluten. You were right. And so they gave me like five or six kind of functional medicine things that I had told them.

And you know, in the Western world, not a soul was interested in anything that I said 10 years ago. But now they're all coming. And so it's a journey to sort of figure this stuff out. If you're new to it, what I would do is I would suggest trying a couple things. Don't try everything, try one thing and see if it helps.

And the people who are most likely to have problems with this are people who have a whole bunch of medical conditions and, and, uh, are, are significantly older. However, it can affect younger people. And so what I wanna encourage people is to, to begin a journey with us where we start to educate you about different strategies that will help your immune system.

Just like you said, you can have some detox symptoms. What might be perfect for you might not be perfect for somebody listening, and so then, but through trial and error. As you pay attention to your own body, we're gonna begin to find some strategies that you make people feel a lot better. And then that's the name of the game.

And I think that the other thing that's gonna happen is we're gonna start to have more and more peer reviewed research on a lot of these products. And so then what we will find, I think, is that the results may surprise us and sometimes supplement strategies may. Worked as effectively, or I. May be synergistic with the meds and, and my, my hypothesis is that for this condition, the most effective thing that you can do if you get infected is gonna be to take medications.

But I believe that some of these strategies may help. Mitigate some of the symptoms and may help make the medications work better. And we don't have all those answers, but we're gonna have better and better answers in the, in the days and weeks and months to come. Okay, great. So it's about kind of supplements to boost your immunity right now, and then some of the things you can do if you think you have.

Uh, been infected or contracted the virus as well. Um, mm-hmm. Very well said. Mm-hmm. So, um, in terms of the medications then, obviously, um, again, this is an area, if you are looking at medication, you would want to consult a doctor first. Right? Absolutely. So you're gonna, and I sort of shudder to say this, I've, I am aware of also probably another 10 cases of people, uh, that, uh, in, in my community that I've talked to or I've talked to their doctor who have.

Taken a combination of, uh, anti-malarial, drug named hydroxychloroquine and a drug called azithromycin, which is an antibiotic. And what I have, what I am hearing is, is that that combination is quite effective. Now it's quite interesting because these are not drugs that are classically thought of as antiviral.

But this strategy, and there was a study that came out in France, um, and there were some problems with the study. It wasn't a perfect study, but it still had a very, very positive outcome. Uh, the problem is, is normally they do a study like that and they, they. They repeat it and then they do it on a larger group of people, and then in a year we come back and we say, Hey, guess what?

This worked or It works 20% or 50%. Or when we get an idea, yeah, here we're having to make decisions. Too fast and faster than we really should. But if, if you ha asked, and there are also a whole bunch of antiviral uh, drugs, but we, nobody has access to them. And so I think that from the drug side, our best strategy is gonna be these two things.

What I think is, is that if someone gets the sore throat, I'm going to be recommending to my patients that they take the hydroxychloroquine, uh, because I've been, I've been, I've heard enough evidence that that is helpful. Now, the important thing that people need to know is that if they have a heart problem or if they are on any other medications that.

Affect the electrical pathway of the heart. They have to be careful cuz this one does something called prolonging the QT interval. Yeah. So suppose it's, its worth can, sorry, just to, just to interrupt, it's worth pointing out that this is like what you are looking at. Prescribing your patients as opposed to people saying, oh, I've got a sore throat, get online and buy some Hi hydroxychloroquine.

That's not what you're saying at all E Exactly, yeah. I'm not what I'm saying at all. Yeah. And so it, and so what I'm saying is, and this would not be a good treatment for regular sore throat, so, uh, what's gonna happen is if somebody has a sore throat, then they need to get tested. And they, we need to figure out if they have Corona and then if they have Corona and if they have these symptoms.

That's what I'm