A guest on Ben Greenfield's Podcast, Dr. Cook shares his guide to eliminating Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO) once & for all

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Welcome to the show everybody. I'm sitting at my kitchen table here with the wonderful Matt Cook. You don't have any smoothie on your face. How's my face look? You like red? Is it clean? Yeah. Did you like that smoothie? You look like the, the face of God and the voice of God. The voice of God. The deep. We've established possibly male booming voice.

Uh, Matt and I have been geeking out all morning. What have we done so far this morning? Uh, before I, before I tell people the smoothie recipe, we, we got up, we did, uh, vibration foam roller and the five Tibetan longevity exercises. That was awesome. And a bunch of body work. Yep. And then we both did the, the full body juve light, but to get our circadian rhythms going, we did the, uh, the, what were those?

The recharger gla the re timer glasses. Uhhuh the ear. Thanks. And the, and the human charger. So we got the circadian rhythms going cuz it's kind of gray here in Spokane. A rainy day. So we wanted to get a blast of both, uh, near infrared and red light. But then also the, the regular sunlight exposure. Mm-hmm.

And then, um, Matt did some, some pulse electromagnetic field therapy on his. Back and, which was amazing. Did you like that move? That, that was awesome. Yeah. This opener that I have and, and if you guys are listening, I, I have this one on YouTube. You lay on this pulse electromagnetic field pad and you kinda like move your hips back and forth and flip over and do the same thing on the front side, just releases.

All the low back and the hip muscles and the SOAs. It's amazing cuz the what, when you do the pmf, when you roll over onto your side, you feel it hit the SOAs and the ilio SOAs, yeah. As you're rolling. And it was, it's like crazy how intense that is. Yeah. It, it's a, it's a really great move for the hips and Matt's pouring himself a little, little french press and we did a, we did a nature walk where we worked on, uh, vagus nerve activation by keeping our eyes really wide open and using the peripheral vision as we walked through the forest and did a lot of deep breathing in through the nose to waken the senses and, uh, kind of kept the ears open.

And then we walked in silence for a while through the snow, which is a really great way to just kind of connect to nature. In the morning we were talking about, when I'm at home, I always do typically the sauna with cold pool or go on a walk just because I like to ease myself kind of parasympathetically into the day.

And then go, go crush the gym later on in the day. Uh, and so we've, we've done all that. And then we had a smoothie. Oh, we had a hot tub. Oh. And then we, then we jumped in the hot tub. Yeah. So, which was amazing. What was in the, with the smoothie. So we had planned on starting this to record this podcast for you in the wee hours of the morning.

It's already noon. Just getting started. Um, what was in the smoothie? Uh, Well, let's see the base. So there, so there's always like a base, right? Sometimes it's bone broth, sometimes it's coconut milk. But lately what I've been using is I have camel's milk. I order camel's milk from the is, I think it's just called the Camel's milk company down in California.

So it doesn't have the inflammatory, a one protein that cow's milk has. It's all a two protein, and what I do is I've got these keifer grains and I, I ferment the Keifer grains in camel's milk for about 24 to 36 hours. I just kind of give it a taste as it goes and it gets mildly sour. That's a good sign that the Keifer grains have digested any lactose sugars and basically fermented to create this wonderful probiotic rich compound that's got El Rooter eye in it.

It's got it. Actually, I found this out recently. It specifically causes the production of collagen peptides when you consume keefer. And so you're actually producing your own peptides in the gut when you create this keefer, when that's awesome, when you take this keefer. So that was the base we used, but I mixed the keefer up with a bunch of colostrum.

So I put a bunch of, of colostrum from these grass fed goats into the camel's milk keefer, and that was the base of the smoothie. And then to that, we added, uh, some organic rock cow powder from addictive wellness to give it that those dia bromines and do dopamines, uh, added a few scoops of the organify, uh, SuperGreens powder.

Uh, we put some creatine in there, uh, not only because we're trying to get sw, uh, but also for the little nootropic effect that creatine can give you. We put a really potent antioxidant in there called C 60 a C 60 in olive oil. Yeah. For those of you. Yeah, for those you don't know what C 60 is, go and listen to my podcast with Ian Mitchell and I'll, I'll link to all this stuff I'm talking about.

If you guys go to ben greenfield fitness.com/gi reset cuz our whole podcast or a lot of our podcast today is gonna be about the gut. Uh, so ben greenfield fitness.com/gi reset. I lo I love him by the way. He's like super great. Ian Mitchell. Yeah. Yeah. So we get, so we had C 60 in there with the camel's milk and the greens and the cacao powder.

And then I put a little bit of salan cinnamon in there to kind of stabilize the blood sugar. Uh, little bit of organic stevia. I get this wonderful Stevia from Amica Organics to give it a little bit of sweetness. We put a little bit of this, uh, this nut butter in there that's a blend of flax seeded chia seed, almond and pumpkin.

So we had this nut butter in there. And then, uh, before blending, was there anything else I threw in there? Um, I think those were, those were the biggies. And then after blending, or you add a bunch of ice, right? To get, so I get like this thick ice creamy texture you can eat with a spoon. So, oh, I remember the last thing I put in there for texture, organic pumpkin mash, which is wonderful.

It's like a secondary base for a smoothie. So we've got like those, those nine, 10 different ingredients in there. Then we blend it all up and we topped it with organic dark chocolate chunks and unsweetened coconut flakes for a little bit of texture. And that was it. That was breakfast. That's a mon man of heaven.

We would've had to have paid like 50 bucks for that at a coffee shop. Yep. Yeah. But it's fun to make these things. I, I love making my morning smoothie and, um, it's always a little different. I think. I love watching you make it more than you love making it, so, yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a ton of fun. So, um, anyways, though, so to, to give you guys some background on this podcast, first of all, Dr.

Matt Cook, my guest on today's show, this, this officially once this episode is released, will make him the. Most, what, what would you call it? The most frequent guest on the Ben Greenfield Fitness show of all time. Nice. Yeah, because this will be your fifth podcast you've done with me and we have covered in the past everything from ketamine to vagus nerve resets to uh, to ozone therapy, to placental matrix and peptides.

Like Matt and I have covered a ton of stuff in previous episodes and I'm gonna link to all of our previous episodes. If you guys just want to geek out, if you go to ben greenfield fitness.com/gi reset, on about a quarterly basis, I actually fly down to San Jose and I go see Matt at his clinic and he geeks out on me for like two to three days with all these new protocols and.

He occasionally comes up to my house too. And right now he's got a suitcase full of, uh, what is that? Ultrasound imaging? Yeah. Stuff. So we're gonna do like ultrasound imaging and nerve hydro dissection, uh, on the go later on this. So we might shoot some right on the kitchen table, some videos for you guys.

But Matt is the founder of Bio Reset Medical, Biore Reset Medical, and it's a whole regenerative medical clinic, just doing a ton of things that. You've probably never before seen in, in a facility, but he combines that with functional medicine and self quantification and even some, some things to treat PTSD and trauma like ketamine.

And so he's got all these different things going on at his facility. And he also advises a bunch of different medical companies. He does physician training programs. He works with sexual performance optimization as well, which we're gonna touch on today for those of you who have no interest in the gut whatsoever.

But I was down in San Jose about five months ago and I had what, what's really a difficult conversation for me because you guys, for those of you listening in, just just so you know, You know, it's sometimes hard for me being a person that people look up to as a guy who's supposed to be the icon of health, who's supposed to present this perfect picture of himself to the world to admit that he's having health problems.

And for the past two years, I have increasingly, and I spelled this out to Matt about six months ago, I have increasingly been dealing with gut issues like bloating and gas in the afternoons and even like low back and hip pain that seems to be related to some type of inflammation going on in the gut.

And just a change in my bowel movement patterns. And it's been kind of humbling for me cuz I'm supposed to have everything figured out, right? Like I'm supposed to be the perfect icon of health. Uh, and, and, and I, I talked to Matt and I was just like, dude, can we look at this and, and see if maybe you can identify what's going on?

And. A, we found some really interesting things that a lot of other people deal with too, which is why we wanted to record this podcast for you. Um, b Matt came up with some very unique protocols that he's turning into this entire system for resetting and rebooting the gut that I thought you all would be really interested in.

And, um, I really think those, those are the two main things. A and B, those are the two things we came up with. And so what. You're gonna learn today, in addition to some of the discussions Matt and I'll have later on about what he's doing for sexual performance optimization and for PTs d and some of these more cutting edge protocols, he's doing like ozone dialysis, which is absolutely amazing.

Uh, what you guys are gonna learn is how to figure out what's going on in your gut when you have these type of issues related to things like mold, mycotoxins, small intestine, bacterial overgrowth, biofilm, and that that's just a preview of all the, all the shit literally that's going out in my gut right now.

And you're gonna have to learn how to kiss that goodbye with a specific protocol that Matt has designed to be able to go after some of this stuff. So, uh, the. Did I, did I set us up pretty well, Matt? Yeah, to dig in. You couldn't have done any better. Okay. Alright. So, so that's, that's where we're at, folks.

So, so, a, um, Ben is having health issues. B a lot of people are struggling with these same issues, and Matt's seeing this over and over again in his clinic. And C we're gonna talk about not only what to do about it, what you can do about it, but also some other really cool advanced health concepts that Matt's working at.

So, to begin, um, Matt, guy like me, comes to you, dude, doc stuff's going on in the gut. What do you do? What do you look at? How do you quantify? So that's so awesome that you're sort of talking like this cuz I think that this what is happening with you is probably one of the most common presentations that's an antecedent to all big problems.

And so when, when the people start to have problems in their intestines mm-hmm. That's where your entire immune system is. And then that creates immune system dysfunction and then that creates inflammation and stress throughout the body that can begin to start to affect other organ systems. And so, and, and based on what I found, it's kind of surprising how amazing it is amazing that you have the voice of God and, and the face of God.

I think the way you, you put it to me was that, The fact that I'm still put together based on what's going on in my gut, the fact that I'm even like getting outta bed in the morning and you know, traveling all over the world and, and doing what I'm doing. It's probably just all these biohacks and stuff that I'm doing because you're totally dialed in, but you're totally dialed in downstream.

Right. And so then, so then I'll dig in. So then the, what I said and I thought, Oh, this is gonna be super easy cuz he's super healthy. And so I, I I have to admit I can, I took it only semi seriously. But then what we did is we did some very advanced stool testing and we did stool testing. And the first thing that I do is I do stool testing with multiple different companies because often one, one company may miss something and they use different techniques to look at it.

And then I also have someone who looks at, at the, your stool with a microscope. And then they go in and they look for tropho Cytes and they look for cysts and they look for parasites, particularly under the microscope. And which test was that? That was the stool test. That was the, that was the Genova Diagnostics, or?

No, that was the Echo University stool test. Okay. It's called an Echo University Stool test. And so then this is, and that's kind of a boutique one that we actually just mail it, uh, to this doctor, Dr. Ibrahim, who's, who's a, a famous parasitologist. Mm-hmm. But then what. What we found is, is that you had, uh, roundworm, I'm gonna brace, uh, everybody.

Brace yourself. This is everything we found in my gut. And remember, like for the past 20 years, I've been doing everything from swimming in sewage filled water, in, uh, triathlons in Thailand to walking barefoot through the streets of Bangkok to, you know, all sorts of crazy stuff. So this wasn't incredibly surprising to me, but go, go ahead and dig in, Matt.

So you had two roundworms and then you had an amoeba. So you had three parasites and, and I had seen, uh, Giardia in you in the past. Mm-hmm. So you had four parasites, and that's kind of, I I, it's almost like an occupational hazard of like, of your lifestyle. So you were probably always gonna pick those up.

And, uh, and what those tend to do is they tend to burrow into the wall of your intestine and your small intestine. Mm-hmm. And, and then they tend to create a biofilm around them. And so then now they're just living there and food's being washed down, but they create this biofilm that looks kind of like pons gum that protects them from being washed away.

And then they have life cycles where two week life cycles, where sometimes they're in assist form, sometimes they're active. And so it is hard to kill them because the, if, if you kill them today, Some of the cyst forms are isolated and protected and then they come back out and so this is like something out of the movie aliens.

It's kinda like, it's kinda like that. Yeah. And it's, and and honestly if it, if it way, if it goes long enough they start to bear bur all the way through the intestines and cause. Mass problems. Wow. And so then you've got, you've got, you had four parasites. And, and, and for me, considering this has been going on for like about two years, these things have had a lot of time to do some damage.

Right. And so then when I see that much stuff going on, and when I, when I hear people having symptoms, I begin to think, oh, is mold involved in this? Mm-hmm. Because whether it's Lyme, whether it's GI things, uh, if somebody has a mold illness, mold illness plus Lyme or mold illness plus parasites presents differently.

And so then it takes us down a different sort of algorithm. And so I did a, uh, test where I looked to see if you had mycotoxins in your urine, which you had a lot of. Mm-hmm. And then I did a test. And then which, which test is the urine? Those the Great Plains. That's a Great Plains urine test Mold. Urine test.

Okay. And then I did a, a test that Andrew Campbell, who's one of the, I think the smartest mold guy in the country. Um, and you should have him on your podcast. Um, and we did the Myco. And the Myco looks to see if your immune system, and that's a blood test, is exactly, and it, it's a test of antibodies to see if your immune system is making antibodies to mold toxins.

Mm-hmm. And mycotoxins are basically a byproduct, uh, that, that, uh, mold makes when it divides. And so you had incredibly high levels of mycotoxins or mycotoxin antibodies floating for these antibodies flattering around in your bloodstream. Very, very. You sent me over the results and like it was, it was lit up like a Christmas tree.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A mold, a moldy Christmas tree. A moldy Christmas tree. Yeah. So then, so then, and then the final thing that you had is a couple things. You had, you had low bifido bacterium, which is an important part of your immune system mm-hmm. Uh, in terms of the microbiome analysis. And then you had candida.

And what happens is, is when there are parasites and immune dysregulation, and the, the immune dysregulation in the gut comes from the combination of the parasites and then that mold. Mm-hmm. Because what happens with the mold is, is that, um, it, it, your immune system is looking for the mycotoxins, but it can't get all the way into the intestine where the mold actually is living in that biofilm.

And so then the immune system ends up being really stressed. And so then what happens is you get candida. And candida is yeast and that only shows up as an opportunistic. Opportunistic infection when other things are going on. Okay. Alright, so we're talking about round worms, huge levels of mold and mycotoxins, probably a biofilm, candida albicans.

Um, and what there, there was one other thing. Uh oh. Uh, it showed high levels of GI inflammation, which is no surprise. And then low levels of the bifidobacterium, low levels of the ba lacto baula. So, so just essentially like a, like a storm in the gut. Did when you are looking and one and one gram negative bacteria, one gram negative bacteria, and, and usually something like this would start with, for example, a parasite or start with mold and mycotoxin, or is it, is it one or the other that this typically starts with for people?

Uh, the way that I think, so if you, if you step back, usually there's one thing that happened and in your case I predict you've been running around and being adventurous. Mm-hmm. And as a result, I think you picked up the parasites, right. That led to the biofilm, and then you got exposed to a little bit of mold.

Mm-hmm. Some people will have work in a, a mold damaged building. Mm-hmm. And so then they're breathing it in and then that was their initial. Uh, thing if they also had a parasite, then that, that they'll have a respiratory effect from breathing it in as well as a gi Right. But if they don't, they may not have any effect on their gi, other people may be eating a lot of, uh, mycotoxins and then, uh, and, and mold, and they could get it in that way.

But I think you probably picked it up somehow, but it was the, the mold probably came after the parasites. Mm-hmm. And then the combination of those two things created basically stress-free immune system and then you just haven't been able to get past it. Right. Okay. So once you've established that, so, so just to summarize for people, we did a, my Myco blood test, which looks at antibodies that would be produced if you'd been exposed to mold and mycotoxins, A Great Plains laboratory mycotoxin urine test.

And that one looked at again, what that that looks at the mycotoxins. At the actual mycotoxins themselves. And so then, and how would I think about that is if you've seen a piece of bread. And you see the green that is on, that's the mold. Okay. And then what happens is mold releases these little toxins that are neurotoxins and have a whole bunch of negative effects in general and on, on our immune system and create inflammation.

Mm-hmm. And those are nanoparticles that the, the mold releases, but they're not actual mold. And so then if you have mold living in you, and it's secreting those mycotoxins, what, what your body is reacting to is the mycotoxin, but it's not actually reacting to the mold, although it may actually, the mold in the biofilm can be having an inflammatory effect as well.

Right? And that's what the urine test is showing. Then finally, the stool analysis would look, which looked at like the yeast, parasites, fungus, things like that. And bacteria. And bacteria, okay. You basically, you everything you could have, you had, right? So you had the Happy Meal, which is crazy. Yeah, I had the Happy Meal, all right.

For me. All right. Yay. All right, so once you, you gather this data and you find this stuff out about what's going on in the gut, and I realize that we'll, rabbit hole a little bit as we go through this, and, and again, for those of you who are trying to keep up, I'm, I'm gonna be spelling all this out too@bengreenfieldfitness.com slash gi reset.

Once you find all this stuff out, then what's the protocol? Where do you go from there? So, so then, The, the most important thing is to try to get a sense then of who's the person and so I'll have two people show up in my office and this is so sort of awesome to kind of wrap your head around with these same things.

I'll have one person who can barely get outta bed and as sick as a dog and has like 45 things going on. And that's because they didn't do any of the biohacking stuff that you, you do. And their detox pathways aren't working, nothing else is working, and they have this. Right. So that's, and, and they also possibly do not live in as clean in an environment as I, as I tend to spend a lot of my time in here.

Right. At our pristine compound. Yeah. But then, you know, at the same time, you know, who knows how many condos, Airbnbs hotel rooms, apartments, you know, and in the other half of my life, I lived throughout the world Right. Getting this stuff aggravated by. Right. So then the other one is you. And so then the, the goal is to start to onboard, uh, a, a series of things that I, I put in the category of GI detox.

Mm-hmm. And, and so in, in broad terms, I need to do something that's an antimicrobial that's gonna kill things. And in broad terms, I have to do something that is gonna break down that biofilm. And then in broad terms, I have to do, start to restore and reset your, um, your microbiome, the balance of the good and bad bacteria.

And then I specifically be, I have to, you have to, you have to go back to the beginning, where did this all start? And I think this all started with the parasites. And so we need to fix that because that is what's causing you these symptoms in the afternoon. Okay, got it. Yeah. Me meaning like the increasing amount of gas, bloating, et cetera.

Mm-hmm. That builds up throughout the day with really for, for me personally, you know, having messed around with everything from a carnivore diet to a low FODMAP diet, to, you know, all sorts of different protocols to see if I could control this. The only thing that eliminates the gas and bloating is pure straight up water fasting, which of course is not sustainable for life, especially for, for a very active guy like myself.

Right. And so then before we kind of walk through treatment, Let's chat a little bit about sibo. Okay. Because I think that's super useful in, in the, the perspective of this, because this is very common. This is super common, especially even if people don't have, say, round worm or candida. The SIBO thing is quite common.

This SIBO thing, spell that out for people. So, SIBO stands is stands for S I B O, which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. Okay. And so then in bi, in big terms, and I'm just trying to kind of think about this, the, the food goes from your stomach into the small intestine. And the small intestine is the size of my pinky.

Okay? But it's 30 feet long. Okay. Divided into three parts. Meaning it is the diameter of the diameter of, so it's tiny. Right. And then, and that, that's smaller than I think a lot of people think. I think some people think it's like more like a garden hose, but it's not the diameter of the pink, the inside's kinda like the diameter of the pinky.

It's real small. And then the, the colon is the size of your biceps. It's gun show. Yeah. It's a good sized colon. It's a good sized colon. And so then what, what happened? So are you saying that that people's poops should be as big as their biceps? Uh uh. They should be. They should be about, in which case I'd have some pretty damn big shit.

That would be, it would be, cause I gotta me some guns. You're going to, yeah. When when I'm done with you, you're going to, okay, wonderful. So, so then, um, so then what happens is, is the small intestines sterile. So there's, there's not supposed to be any bacteria, yeast, fungi, parasites, nothing in there.

However things can attach and start living in there so you can have a parasite that can start to live there. The other thing that can happen is some bacteria could go on a road trip from the colon and come up and start to live there. They're trying to get ahead in the food line. Okay. And, and so if there's bacteria living in there, we call that small intestinal bacterial growth or overgrowth.

Mm-hmm. And so now yeast can also be living in there. Now what happens if you feed sugar to bacteria or yeasts? It's gonna multiply. It's gonna, that's their food. They, yeah, but what the way, what the way they eat it is they ferment it. Right? And so then if bacteria or yeast ferment sugar in your small intestine, which is the size of my pinky, Mm-hmm.

What that does is that that creates gas and bloating. Right. And I, and I don't want to derail you here from the explanation of sibo, but I think a lot of people, and, and, and I realize this after I did some digging, don't realize that even, you know, meat confinement Yeah. To a certain extent. Yep. And so this is not something where you can just switch to like a, a carnivore diet and necessarily get rid of the potential for bacterial fermentation, especially by some of the sulfur producing bacteria.

Right. And what, how I think about, I, I'm kind of liking how I'm thinking about this too lately, is, is that just like there's a spectrum of autism and Asperger's, or there's all of these different spectrums of, of health conditions, I think there's a little bit of a spectrum in terms of sibo. So some people can have a little bit of overgrowth, some people have a ton of overgrowth of bacteria yeast.

Now, if I've got this thing that's the diameter of my pinky and. And I've got bacteria making gas in there. Then that gas starts to distend the wall and then if it distends the wall, it creates leaky gut. Mm-hmm. And if it creates leaky gut, all of a sudden little bits of undigested food or other things that are in the biofilms in there start to get into the bloodstream.

And now your immune system sees undigested gluten or undigested corn and goes, oh my God, I'm being attacked. Cuz it doesn't know the difference cuz it's not used to having undigested proteins in the blood. And then that creates immune dysregulation with food allergies. And that's like a whole nother thing.

So you're saying that in Austin Powers fat bastard who says, I've got pizzas of corn in my crap. Better than you. Basically somebody with distension and SIBO has pieces of corn in their blood. Yeah. Fat Bastard had sibo. Yeah. Fat bastard had sibo. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Good. So then, so then now what, what I would say is, is that you've had a couple SIBO breath tests that were very mildly positive and because in your lifestyle, you, you, you eat a very small amount of sugar and you're, you eat a relative carnivore diet and you're doing everything to kinda minimize the amount of, of sugars that come in and having a pretty low glycemic diet.

You have some bacteria that are kind of got into the house party that's, that's going on in the biofilm that you have that has parasites and mold, but it's not overwhelming. And so your, your symptoms are not as bad as they could be. If you ate, if you ate, you know, sugar and went to McDonald's every day, you would have horrible.

You would have horrible si. Right? Right. And so, and, and that's backed up by the fact that if I do include fermentable foods in my diet, and this can just be a self test for people with probably the two biggest fermentable foods in a FODMAP type of protocol, being onions and garlic. Right. The very, very worst that I have felt in the past six months was when I took my kids to Dubai where we were eating, you know, tahini and garlic and.

Onions, all these fermentable foods on these Mediterranean plates, and I literally would have a balloon in my stomach, right? Every afternoon. And so if that describes you and you're listening in, especially if you, if you do garlic and onions and it, and it's funny because, you know, when this first started a couple years ago, one of my favorite things to do at the whole food salad bar was get the roasted garlic.

And I, you know, I would get a rotisserie chicken and some sweepers, but I'd always put like a giant few tablespoons there, probably like 12 garlic cloves in along with the potatoes and everything. And I would just be a balloon afterwards. And so if you eat garlic and onions and get this kind of bloating, it's a pretty good sign that you probably struggle with some type of a, a small intestine bacterial overgrowth.

Right. And so then the, the, the thing that you can do that's, Almost like a home run for this is to go onto a low FOD map diet and one one of 'em is called Specific Carbohydrate Diet. One of 'em is called the GAPS Diet. There's a bunch of different sort of just dietary approaches and the, what I like to say is, is if you imagine that that biofilm is like a castle, we gotta starve, we gotta starve them out to some extent.

And so in general, a good strategy is to avoid those fermentable things, avoid vegetables that are high in sugar and avoid all fruits while you're kind of going through this. And to the extent that you do that often, that starves them. The only caveat that I'll say is sometimes, If you are going to, and we'll kind of work, work our way through this, if I'm giving you things, they're gonna start to kill the, the, the bacteria and the parasites and, and, and the, the sibo.

Then it's okay to take, give them a little bit of, give a little bit of sugar. Right before you do that, because it's kind of like chumming the water. Mm-hmm. And so you're gonna bring 'em out and then we're gonna just kill 'em. Okay. All right. So, so that's what SIBO is for, for those of you who want the brief overview of sibo.

Now let's get into what this systematic protocol is that you use, because there's a lot of little pieces of it, and I think it's important that people understand because this information is out there, I know that you can't just do something like, you know, whatever, a tincture of oil, of oregano in the morning, in the evening, or just go low fodmap, or perhaps just take some kind of anti-parasitic medication.

There's this entire step-by-step protocol that you've created and, and I want to, I want to hear more about what that is. If you can walk people through this. Okay. So then the. Uh, first there's going to, we're gonna have to look at this and, and get a sense of the severity and when the, the first point to make is that when I see something this.

This complex and this, this many parasites. I made a decision that we're